Optional pack to download would be best option.
You are not forced but you can have still a choice to donwload better textures if you would like to do so.

I hope that Eric will do all upcoming textures with better resolution then he use now or at least he will use standard version and allow us to download hi-res version.We are in 2007 Eric

Thought some texture makers would have nothing to do then

Why you just dont but Windows XP Pro OEM.I dont see needs to buy Vista now at least not untill SP1 for Vista.

I dont record any replay.
I just start single player game,pres pause,pres ESC and do what I have described in my last post on previous page.You will get then bug with track drawing/textures missing.

Quote from AndreABG :

well your first bug is caused by hardware/ software problems on your end I think

Try exactly the same with W17 on your end and report if you get it or not.""I think" doesnt help here.

For me it doesnt looks like an issue on my PC only because on my girlfriend PC it does the same with totally different hardware config(ATI card).

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun 29 Apr 2007, 21:32.

thats very old bug in ATI drivers.ATI nor NVIDIA suggest to use ALT-TAB as this cause issues.

I had that when I had ATI8500 running on 5.10 drivers before Catalyst came out.This should be reported to ATI but I think they will not care because they will say you used ALT-TAB thingy.Although NVIDIA drivers doesnt have this issue.

Sorry I couldnt help.

Quote from JTbo :

Btw, Vista sucks big time, laptop is powerful but still everything happens at slow motion, also Vista likes to crash and also Office 2003 programs do crash a lot and it is not only this machine but there is quite few of similar I use, it is like using windows 3.1 with 386sx again, even there is loads of ram and cpu power

you are not the one who realized that .
I would call Vista aka Millenium II

BUG REPORT: textures/track drawing missing

I tried that with various cars and track config and always get the same bug.Doesnt matter matter if its with my car or there are just AI cars.

Pause game,pres ESC,go to pits(when own car used)/go to garage(when AI cars selected only), then press OK(when own car used)/join race(when AI cars used) and you will get missing track textures/track drawing.Also in the left upper corner you will see message "Not recording" .Not sure what should be recored. Its reproducable bug.

Also saw the same message "Not recording" with the previous bug reported with
OOS in replay in W16.

See attached images what bug you will get.

BUG REPORT 2: Race position list missing in 3840x1024(tripple screen?)
Scawen,I am not sure if you noticed that but here is small bug from Technical assistance thread.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=23511.

With W17 its only in multiplayer but not in Single player.
The below pictures are for the first bug.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun 29 Apr 2007, 21:22.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=408026#post408026

Get this spec and let it built at www.overclocker.co.uk.
It will be great PC for every modern game.It should run fine upcomign Crysis as well.

Motherboard:
MSI P6N SLI-Platinum, nF650i SLI, GbE, 1394, eSATA - silent cooling for chipsets
http://www.dabs.com/productvie ... e=All&NavigationKey=0

CPU:E6600
http://www.dabs.com/productvie ... e=All&NavigationKey=0

CPU cooler:Zalman 9700 - you will not hear it at all

http://www.dabs.com/ProductVie ... 56808,50440&InMerch=1

Memory: 2x1GB DDR2 800Mhz
http://www.dabs.com/productvie ... 9063,4294959239,405050000

HD:500GB 16MB cache - Samsung has very quiet HDD
http://www.dabs.com/productvie ... ,370810000,42240000,50429

DVD writer: LG multi DVD+-,DVD RAM
http://www.dabs.com/ProductVie ... 40000,50383&InMerch=1

PSU:600W - Seasonic silent series
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... duct.php?prodid=CA-002-SS

Thats make total 566GBP aproximetly and you will have very silent PC.
I didnt include case as everyone has different view/taste how it should looks.

Regarding graphic card I would wait 2-3 weeks because the new ATI HD2900XT will come which should have same price as GF8800GTS 640 MB and better performance.Something between 8800GTS and 8800GTX.Price should be about 250-280GBP. HIS company has usually silent version of the ATI cards with special cooling solution - big heatpipe design with low rpm fan. There is already pre-order in my country for ATI HD2900XT when converted to your currency 230GBP.

Including graphic card this would be around 800-840GBP.So there is around 160-200GBP left for case and other things.

I would say this would be very powerfull machine and quite silent.
Hope this help.

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

another quality reply lol.
i will have a look later.

Hi replied with what you wanted to know so I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Each motherboard use a bit different structure in BIOS.

I heard there is a lot E4300 which can get over 3Ghz while the most of E6600 can get close to 3.5Ghz.Depend if you looking for huge overclokcing or not.

2MB cache ver. 4MB cache gives around 5-8 percent boost.Not more.
There are already E4320 with 4MB cache in shops.

Buy this motherboard

MB MSI P6N SLI-Platinum, nF650i SLI, GbE, 1394, eSATA. This one doesnt have any fans so its noiseless.If you want mega overclokc then with the motherobard is bundled small fan which you can clip on Northbridge

and wait 2 weeks and get ATI HD2900XT.Same or less price then 8800GTS 640MB and its a bit more powerfull.Sometimes very much.I saw already pre-order at Czech shop when converted to your currency 225GBP(incl. VAT).

http://www.chiphell.com/viewth ... d=3404&extra=page%3D1

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sat 28 Apr 2007, 15:53.

The updated review has some mistakes:

• LFS is not DX8.1 but DX8 .At least according to NVIDIA development tools.I am not sure from where he got info about LFS being DX8.1.
  
• LFS can handle multiple skins with Ai.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun 29 Apr 2007, 20:25.

Quote from neRu :

$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Northbridge information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0400000000 Description : SiS 655
$0400000001 Vendor ID : 1039 (SiS)
$0400000002 Device ID : 0655
$0400000003 AGP bus : revision 3.0
$0400000004 AGP status : enabled
$0400000005 AGP rate : 4x 8x supported, 8x selected
$0400000006 AGP SBA : hardwired, enabled
$0400000007 AGP FW : not supported
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff Display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0000000000 Description : NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
$0000000001 Vendor ID : 10de (NVIDIA)
$0000000002 Device ID : 02e1
$0000000003 Location : bus 1, device 0, function 0
$0000000004 Bus type : AGP revision 3.0
$0000000005 AGP status : enabled
$0000000006 AGP rate : 4x 8x supported, 8x selected
$0000000007 AGP SBA : hardwired, enabled
$0000000008 AGP FW : supported, disabled
$0000000009 Base address 0 : f6000000 (memory range)
$000000000a Base address 1 : e0000000 (memory range)
$000000000b Base address 2 : f5000000 (memory range)
$000000000c Base address 3 : none
$000000000d Base address 4 : none
$000000000e Base address 5 : none
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$ffffffffff NVIDIA specific display adapter information
$ffffffffff ----------------------------------------------------------------
$0100000000 Graphics core : NV4B/G73 revision B1 (12pp,5vp)
$0100000001 Hardwired ID : 0392 (ROM strapped to 0392)
$0100000002 Memory bus : 128-bit
$0100000003 Memory type : DDR2 (RAM configuration 02)
$0100000004 Memory amount : 262144KB
$0100000100 Core clock domain 0 : 401.142MHz
$0100000101 Core clock domain 1 : 401.142MHz
$0100000102 Core clock domain 2 : 401.142MHz
$0100000006 Memory clock : 333.000MHz (666.000MHz effective)
$0100000007 Reference clock : 27.000MHz


Is that what you wanted?

Looks fine to me regarding card is running in AGP8x mode,fastwrites disabled.Could you try with AG SBA(Sideband adressing) disabled?

What drivers version you have for your graphic card,chipset.
Howe powerfull is your PSU?

Disable fast writes in the BIOS.7600 cards use bridge chip from PCI-E to AGP and it on many systems just slow down the machine as this bridge has problem with fast writes enabled.

Also please could you install Rivatuner program and run "Graphic subsystem diagnostic report" and post the results here .If I will not find anything wrong with that then I will replay to do what is in my post beůlow with BIOS reset.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163#download


Please write down the setting you have in your bios and then turn of your computer.Unplug the power cable and reset the bios.Then set up the bios as before.The BIOS reset will not do anything wrong to your system.

I know it looks weird but sometimes the BIOS recognize the new hardware "halfway" .BIOS is also software so it can have bugs

Just for referecne a links with low scores and after BIOS reset its ok.I could found more similar issues in this forum and BIOS reset helped many times.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showt ... &highlight=bios+reset

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 22:59.

Press "N" .

Hope this help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca6h2kL0LHI

Quote from Renku :

How much optimisation can there be (I dunno of course), do you want 32 cars on grid and MX 440 as VGA card? Nobody is forcing you to go 20+ server. I know my 9600XT will certainly choke, but I won't ask Scawen to stop developing LFS because of that (adding more racer slots in this case). In leagues like MoE, it would be understandable if there is a requirement: "participant's PC must be powerful enough to handle 32 cars on track (+ spectators).

Man,

I have 7900GT and no matter if I set AA from 2x to 8x I have still same FPS no matter how many cars is on the screen.Even when I set it to 16xAA then I have like 5 percent drop so LFS even cant use potential of my graphic card at all.Also doesnt matter if I change resolution.I also dont understand when setting LOD lower there is FPS boost but where I set AA higher there is no FPS drop.Doesnt make sense to me.

I think nice function for 3D engine would be INSTANCING for the car models so it is called thru API only once and not several times but LFS would need to upgradfe to DX9.I think this would give us some FPS boost with many cars.I see many possibilities but I think there is hardly any place to dig the performance just using DX8.DX9 should be more effective in using vertex shadding and other DX features.Probably DX8.1 over DX8 too.

I have A64 3200+ and since LFS cant use more then 1 core this might became quite a issue with 32 cars because there are not many people around who have so great PCs.Even when you have A64 X2 processor runnin at 2.6Ghz its still like since core A64 2.6Ghz so same performance.

LFS was always about that you dont have to have megamachine to run LFS fine.I am also for every progress with LFS which makes sense.32 cars field is nice addition but might cause some issues at start/T1.I know the best is to have 50FPS for smooth driving.I want progress but discussion is usefull too in some cases.

Just quickly looking at LFS unofficial benchmarks site:
average-mix-max.
1 falcon5 0.5W Core 2 Duo E6400 @3.333G 2048 Radeon X1950 XT (512) - - 143.161 89 207
2 Dizman 0.5W Opteron DC 2200 @3G 2048 Radeon X1950 XTX (512) - - 93.09 58 132

Thats with just few AIs.How many people have Intel Exxx runnning over 3GHz - just few people.


I dont know where else can Scawen dig mor performance but there should be done either optimization with LFS 3D engine or rest of the code otherwise adding more cars to be able to race with them is getting quite useless.Its fine during race but at start or T1 it might became a pain for people with less PC spec. then me and I dont have megame performance PC.

I wanted to become quite with such a responses and only help with testing and reporting bugs but you made me forced to answer.I would consider a bit discussion about this "issue".


EDIT:I have noticed with servers having many cars that when LFS shows message "player xxx connected" the connection bars get quite high for all copnnected people for like 1-2 sec (looks like small lag)and then its normal again.Tested on several W17 servers and it was always the same.I dont know the servers spec so it might be the slow connection they run on or maybe its something else - bug?

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Thu 26 Apr 2007, 13:56.

You would get definately better FPS with every modern CPU then your Celeron which always sucked because its very crippled CPU.

Still can confirm that LFS doesnt take advantage of the second core.

regarding the damage and tires its a feature.
There are now to possibilities:
"arcade" - so everything is reseted
"simulation" - nothing is reseted as well when you flip the car its not reseted.

There was already suggestion to incluide the middle option as was before that only car position reset so you can still continue with damage

reset bios.I saw at Guru3d forum a long ago exactly the same problem and nothing helped that guy untill someone posted to reset bios and then there was everything fine.

Might be also some drivers issue thougth.Did you uninstall previous drivers 1st, then reboot and installed generic VGA drivers and then installed NVIDIA drivers?If not, would be worth to do that.

EDIT:just read it again ans you said fresh install so doesnt look like driver issue but what driver version you have anyway?

Quote from BrandonAGr :

I was just wondering if this happens to everyone else now that we have such large races, if there is a full grid (20+ cars) then when the camera pans around so that almost all of them are in full view the framerate drops significantly? My computer will go from 90+fps constantly to 30-45fps for a ton of cars on screen. In order to get it to not drop I have to set the car lod so low that cars nearby now look horrible.
I have a radeon x1900gt and amd 64 x2 4200

thats pretty normall and AA/AF has nothing to do witzh that if you have something like X1900GT or 7900GS and up.

just got some OOS with W17 but was slow to note down the exact message:-(

I know Scawen you would like threw a hammer at me but untill there will be made some big optimalization to the 3d engine(not just LOD variables or similar thingy) to have some more FPS, having 32cars is very nice update but useless for most of the people because being at the end or almost at the end of the grid with 32cars you will have like 10-20 FPS with which is very hard to race from start and not causing any crashes.Just my opinion.

Otherway its very nice step forward.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Wed 25 Apr 2007, 20:06.

Quote from deggis :

I got black screen with VLC player... music was playing though. CPU usage was 95 % so obviously that's too heavy for my computer

Usually no problem playing 720 HD vids...

I have NVIDIA card with 93.71 drivers which include decoders for HD WMV,x.264 etc and playing it in WMP10 I had about 50 percent CPU usuage.MY CPU is just single core A64 3200+.

Try it in WMP10 and it should be fine.I had the same problems with VLC and usuage 95-100 percent when this program usually play HD stuff better then other programs.